Date: Mon, 1 Aug 94 11:09:17 PDT From: Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup Errors-To: Info-Hams-Errors@UCSD.Edu Reply-To: Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu Precedence: Bulk Subject: Info-Hams Digest V94 #863 To: Info-Hams Info-Hams Digest Mon, 1 Aug 94 Volume 94 : Issue 863 Today's Topics: add me to your mailing list/newsgroup add to mailing list CT:Re: Did someone say . . . bolus ?ŁN2>Message-ID: <774847 Daily Summary of Solar Geophysical Activity for 30 July IRCs vs $$ (2 msgs) lightbulbs as antennas NOS like program for the Mac? VE3ONT adds 50 MHz EME Welcome to rec.radio.info! What to do with old OST's Send Replies or notes for publication to: Send subscription requests to: Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu. Archives of past issues of the Info-Hams Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/info-hams". 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So there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 1 Aug 94 17:36:05 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: add me to your mailing list/newsgroup To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Please add me to your newsgroup/mailing list. thanks dan dalal dalal@bayvax.decus.org ------------------------------ Date: 1 Aug 94 17:28:38 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: add to mailing list To: info-hams@ucsd.edu please add me to your newsgroup/mailing list. thanks dan dalal dalal@bayvax.decus.org ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jul 1994 11:39:05 -0700 From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!apple.com!apple.com!not-for-mail@network.ucsd.edu Subject: CT:Re: Did someone say . . . bolus ?ŁN2>Message-ID: <774847 To: info-hams@ucsd.edu forrest.gehrke@cencore.com (Forrest Gehrke) writes: >N2>In article <30ml9p$isb@news.u.washington.edu> cummings@u.washington.edu writ >N2>>I remember when we told our Elmer we got our tickets, he told us we must've >N2>>made a mistake, as there was no such thing as a KA7 call. He thought that >N2>>was a DX prefix! >N2>> >And he was right! KA was the prefix for the Philippine Islands >before their independence. If memory serves, back in my SWL days in 9M2-land during the early- to mid-60s, I was hearing a lot of KAs from Japan. I think they might be licenses issued to folks posted to the U.S. military bases there. 73, Kok Chen, AA6TY kchen@apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jul 1994 21:50:12 MDT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!ve6mgs!usenet@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Daily Summary of Solar Geophysical Activity for 30 July To: info-hams@ucsd.edu /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ DAILY SUMMARY OF SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY 30 JULY, 1994 /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ (Based In-Part On SESC Observational Data) SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY INDICES FOR 30 JULY, 1994 -------------------------------------------------------- NOTE: Electron fluence at greater than 2 MeV were at weakly moderate levels. !!BEGIN!! (1.0) S.T.D. Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for DAY 211, 07/30/94 10.7 FLUX=075.3 90-AVG=079 SSN=025 BKI=4220 2222 BAI=008 BGND-XRAY=A1.3 FLU1=6.2E+05 FLU10=1.2E+04 PKI=3322 2223 PAI=009 BOU-DEV=000,018,017,004,017,017,015,010 DEV-AVG=012 NT SWF=00:000 XRAY-MAX= A7.7 @ 1601UT XRAY-MIN= A1.0 @ 2252UT XRAY-AVG= A2.4 NEUTN-MAX= +000% @ 2310UT NEUTN-MIN= -005% @ 0140UT NEUTN-AVG= -1.0% PCA-MAX= +0.1DB @ 1800UT PCA-MIN= -0.5DB @ 1740UT PCA-AVG= -0.0DB BOUTF-MAX=55253NT @ 0156UT BOUTF-MIN=55220NT @ 1956UT BOUTF-AVG=55238NT GOES7-MAX=P:+000NT@ 0000UT GOES7-MIN=N:+000NT@ 0000UT G7-AVG=+077,+000,+000 GOES6-MAX=P:+150NT@ 1922UT GOES6-MIN=N:-040NT@ 0152UT G6-AVG=+106,+033,-013 FLUXFCST=STD:075,075,075;SESC:075,075,075 BAI/PAI-FCST=010,005,005/010,010,010 KFCST=2223 1222 2222 1222 27DAY-AP=014,011 27DAY-KP=3344 2233 3332 2333 WARNINGS= ALERTS= !!END-DATA!! NOTE: The Effective Sunspot Number for 29 JUL 94 was 26.7. The Full Kp Indices for 29 JUL 94 are not available. The 3-Hr Ap Indices for 29 JUL 94 are not available. Greater than 2 MeV Electron Fluence for 30 JUL is: 1.1E+08 SYNOPSIS OF ACTIVITY -------------------- Solar activity was very low. New Region 7760 (S06W50) was numbered this period as a BXO beta spot group. Solar activity forecast: solar activity is expected to be very low. The geomagnetic field has been at quiet to active levels for the past 24 hours. The GT 2 MeV energetic electron flux was at mostly moderate to high levels. Geophysical activity forecast: the geomagnetic field is expected to be mostly quiet to unsettled. Event probabilities 31 jul-02 aug Class M 01/01/01 Class X 01/01/01 Proton 01/01/01 PCAF Green Geomagnetic activity probabilities 31 jul-02 aug A. Middle Latitudes Active 10/05/05 Minor Storm 05/01/01 Major-Severe Storm 01/01/01 B. High Latitudes Active 20/15/15 Minor Storm 10/05/05 Major-Severe Storm 05/05/05 HF propagation conditions were normal over all regions. Good propagation is expected to continue through the next 72 hours. COPIES OF JOINT USAF/NOAA SESC SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL REPORTS ======================================================== REGIONS WITH SUNSPOTS. LOCATIONS VALID AT 30/2400Z JULY ------------------------------------------------------- NMBR LOCATION LO AREA Z LL NN MAG TYPE 7759 N03E10 211 0000 AXX 00 001 ALPHA 7760 S06W50 271 0010 BXO 03 004 BETA REGIONS DUE TO RETURN 31 JULY TO 02 AUGUST NMBR LAT LO NONE LISTING OF SOLAR ENERGETIC EVENTS FOR 30 JULY, 1994 --------------------------------------------------- BEGIN MAX END RGN LOC XRAY OP 245MHZ 10CM SWEEP NONE POSSIBLE CORONAL MASS EJECTION EVENTS FOR 30 JULY, 1994 ------------------------------------------------------- BEGIN MAX END LOCATION TYPE SIZE DUR II IV NO EVENTS OBSERVED INFERRED CORONAL HOLES. LOCATIONS VALID AT 30/2400Z --------------------------------------------------- ISOLATED HOLES AND POLAR EXTENSIONS EAST SOUTH WEST NORTH CAR TYPE POL AREA OBSN NO DATA AVAILABLE FOR ANALYSIS SUMMARY OF FLARE EVENTS FOR THE PREVIOUS UTC DAY ------------------------------------------------ Date Begin Max End Xray Op Region Locn 2695 MHz 8800 MHz 15.4 GHz ------ ---- ---- ---- ---- -- ------ ------ --------- --------- --------- NO DATA AVAILABLE. REGION FLARE STATISTICS FOR THE PREVIOUS UTC DAY ------------------------------------------------ C M X S 1 2 3 4 Total (%) -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --- ------ Uncorrellated: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 000 ( 0.0) Total Events: 000 optical and x-ray. EVENTS WITH SWEEPS AND/OR OPTICAL PHENOMENA FOR THE LAST UTC DAY ---------------------------------------------------------------- Date Begin Max End Xray Op Region Locn Sweeps/Optical Observations ------ ---- ---- ---- ---- -- ------ ------ --------------------------- NO DATA AVAILABLE. NOTES: All times are in Universal Time (UT). Characters preceding begin, max, and end times are defined as: B = Before, U = Uncertain, A = After. All times associated with x-ray flares (ex. flares which produce associated x-ray bursts) refer to the begin, max, and end times of the x-rays. Flares which are not associated with x-ray signatures use the optical observations to determine the begin, max, and end times. Acronyms used to identify sweeps and optical phenomena include: II = Type II Sweep Frequency Event III = Type III Sweep IV = Type IV Sweep V = Type V Sweep Continuum = Continuum Radio Event Loop = Loop Prominence System, Spray = Limb Spray, Surge = Bright Limb Surge, EPL = Eruptive Prominence on the Limb. ** End of Daily Report ** ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jul 1994 12:10:24 -0700 From: lll-winken.llnl.gov!apple.com!apple.com!not-for-mail@ames.arpa Subject: IRCs vs $$ To: info-hams@ucsd.edu oo7@astro.as.utexas.edu (Derek Wills) writes: >Wolf.Harranth@p44.f22.n310.z2.st.co.at (Wolf Harranth OE1WHC) says: >>We recently operated special event station OE1XRW/IMD and received about >>three hundred letters for a direct QSL. About a third of them with neither >>an IRC nor a greenstamp, About twenty letters with more than 1$ or more >>than one IRC, the rest with either 1$ or 1 IRC. Air Mail from Austria to >>the USA costs about 1,50$, to Japan about 2$. IRCs can be "cashed in" for >>a stamp worth 60 Cents. We spent more than 200$ to deliver direct QSLs. > ...I am > amazed that you received one-third of the requests with no $$/IRCs, > I receive perhaps 2% without $$/IRCs. Well, the difference may be the perceived value of the cards. The OE1XRW station is "merely" a special events station. Whereas Derek is manager to some semi-exotic DX (marginally exotic? :-) :-). > Some European managers > do this routinely. For mailings to non-US, some managers mail all > their cards from a neighboring country with lower postal rates. Received a card yesterday from DL1OY (manager for EV5DX) mailed from Holland. If memory serves, Nellie mailed my XF4CI card from Texas. ZD8Z's card from VE3HO was mailed from somewhere in the U.S. east coast. So, it is not just European managers who is doing the smart thing. Hmmm... can't managers in different parts of the world collaborate a little in this respect? DL1OY, as an example, could send Derek a bunch of cards, already filled out and in their SAE, in bulk. Derek can stick 29 cent stamps on them and give them to the USPS. Derek, in turn, can send DL1OY cards for 9V1YC destined to Germany in the same manner. It would still be much faster than the Buro. More hmmm... come to think of it, there could be simply stateside sub-managers who just take the bulk-shipped SAEs from a European manager and simply stick 29 cent stamps on them and push them into mailboxes. Wimps like me, who would never think of becoming a QSL manager, can volunteer services this way. BTW, to all QSL managers, whereever you are, a big Thank-you! 73, Kok Chen, AA6TY kchen@apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jul 1994 19:51:56 GMT From: agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!asuvax!chnews!scorpion.ch.intel.com!cmoore@ames.arpa Subject: IRCs vs $$ To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <31e8j0$j2b@apple.com>, Kok Chen wrote: >... there could be simply stateside >sub-managers who just take the bulk-shipped SAEs from a European manager >and simply stick 29 cent stamps on them and push them into mailboxes. >Kok Chen, AA6TY kchen@apple.com How about having stateside QSL managers who PRINT and mail QSL cards for foreign stations based on graphic files and/or databases sent over Internet? Are we nearing the 21st century or not? 73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC (Not speaking for Intel) ------------------------------ Date: 1 Aug 94 12:47:17 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: lightbulbs as antennas To: info-hams@ucsd.edu This thread is further evidence that you don't need a beam up on a tower and a footwarmer PA to participate in this hobby. Which is also why (in reference to a previous thread that was recently put to death) it should be no surprise that an Isoloop antenna can be an effective one. Steve, KB2PWM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1994 01:12:23 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!gatech!udel!gvls1!hpwisf1.han.unisysgsg.com!Gilbert.A.Mackall@network.ucsd.edu Subject: NOS like program for the Mac? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article Anthony_Pelliccio@brown.edu (Tony Pelliccio) writes: > I'm trying to hook up 3 Macs to a SL/IP dedicated connection. I know that > on DOS boxes you can use KA9Q's NOS but I'm curious if there's anything for > a Mac? > > The way the system will be hooked up is the 3 machines will hook up via > localtalk to a fourth which has the dedicated SL/IP connection. At this > point each machine is assigned an IP addr and the SL/IP box acts as a > router. > > HELP! > > -- > == Tony Pelliccio, KD1NR > == Anthony_Pelliccio@brown.edu, Tel. (401) 863-1880 Fax. (401) 863-2269 > == The opinions above are my own and not those of my employer. I use InterSlip by Interconn, is free and works fine. You can get it from ftp://intercon.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 1 Aug 94 15:04:01 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: VE3ONT adds 50 MHz EME To: info-hams@ucsd.edu VE3ONT Adds 50 MHz EME As a result of discussions at the recent meeting of the Central States VHF Society, the Toronto VHF Society (VE3ONT) has added 50 MHz to the list of bands to be used in the upcoming EME contest. 50 MHz will on the air on a non- interference basis simultaneously with 1296 MHz on Sunday of the first EME contest weekend (see schedule below). VE3ONT will use the 46m (150') dish operated by the Institute for Space and Terrestrial Science at Algonquin Park (FN05xw). On 50 MHz, the antenna will be linearly polarized, and output power will be 1 kW. UTC Date VE3ONT TX freq listening range approx. times Oct 29 432.050 MHz 432.050 - 432.060 0645 - 1815 UTC Oct 30 1296.050 1296.050 - 1296.060 0754 - 1844 Oct 30 50.100 50.100 - 50.105 0754 - 1844 Nov 26 144.100 144.100 - 144.110 0538 - 1645 Nov 27 144.100 144.100 - 144.110 0646 - 1713 Because the Algonquin dish has a 9 degree lower elevation limit, stations with horizon-only antennas in eastern North America will have a limited chance to work VE3ONT. We request that az-el capable stations in Europe and North America delay their QSOs with VE3ONT until after moonrise/moonset windows. This will allow the many horizon-only stations a better chance of making an EME QSO during the limited time available. Link budget calculations show that 50 MHz stations with 10 dBd (6 elements or so) beams and 1 kW should be able to work VE3ONT off the Moon; smaller stations are urged to try as well. Use of the dish at the Algonquin Space Complex is always subject to last minute preemption for non-Amateur purposes. QSLs with an SAE to Dennis Mungham VE3ASO, RR 3, Mountain, Ontario, Canada, K0E 1S0. Reception reports are also welcome. Send your log to the ARRL. For further information contact Peter Shilton VE3VD, (905) 774-8766. Latest developments will be provided at the International EME Conference, Gottskars, Sweden, August 26-28. de W9IP August 1, 1994. Michael Owen W9IP MOWE@SLUMUS.STLAWU.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jul 1994 21:00:08 MDT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!ve6mgs!rec-radio-info@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Welcome to rec.radio.info! To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Archive-name: radio/rec-radio-info/welcome Last-modified: $Date: 1994/01/02 22:00 $ Version: $Revision: 1.06 $ *** Welcome to rec.radio.info! *** Welcome to rec.radio.info, a group that aims to provide a noise-free source of information and news for the entire rec.radio hierarchy. Two introductory articles about rec.radio.info are posted to the group and to news.answers every two weeks. You are now reading the first article, which explains what rec.radio.info is, and answers some Frequently Asked Questions. The second article is titled "Submission Guidelines", and you only need to read it if you want to submit an article to rec.radio.info. You can skip to the next section of this article by searching for the next " -- " string. The sections available are: - What is the purpose of rec.radio.info? - Why are messages almost always cross posted to rec.radio.info? - What is a 'follow-up', and what does 'moderated' mean? - OK, so now I know what 'moderated' means. 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I thank the following individuals for their input into this article: rec.music.info moderator Leo Breebaart rec-music-info@cp.tn.tudelft.nl rec.radio.broadcasting moderator Bill Pfeiffer wdp@gagme.chi.il.us Paul W. Schleck, KD3FU pschleck@unomaha.edu Ian Kluft, KD6EUI ikluft@uts.amdahl.com -- Mark Salyzyn -- Moderator rec.radio.info Submissions to: rec-radio-info@ve6mgs.ampr.ab.ca Administrivia to: rec-radio-request@ve6mgs.ampr.ab.ca * Requests for information do *not* belong in rec.radio.info * ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jul 1994 04:52:28 GMT From: netcomsv!netcom.com!slay@decwrl.dec.com Subject: What to do with old OST's To: info-hams@ucsd.edu : Give them to a library or radio club that will make them available to : the public. Or leave some of them in waiting rooms for doctors. dentists, : etc. Don't let some collector bundle them up out of sight, and don't consume : landfill space with them. I disagree with almost everything here. First .... have you ever tried to go to a library and look up magazines from only a couple of years ago .... let alone 20 years or more? It generally .... cannot be done.... they'd rather move it all to micro-film. Doctors, dentists offices .... I don't think so .... not magazines more than a couple of months old .... talk about land fill... that's it! A radio club would be a good idea ..... IF they have room in a club ham shack ... which most clubs do not have. I suggest you pass them out free to newer hams so that they can get a "feel" for what ham radio was like in the years before they got on the air. Or ... you can always take them to a ham swap meet and sell 'em. There's a ham (who shall remain nameless) down in California who has one of the largest collections of ham radio related magazines, books, callbooks .... everything .... including a complete collection of QSTs. He's also got magazines from a bunch of different countries ..... it fills up a garage (and then some).... it's a regular library .... thousands and thousands of different periodicals. The sad news is that he mentioned that he would be willing to donate them to the ARRL or a club who would be willing to maintain them..... alas....... nobody wants it because it takes up too much space and resources. So, sell if you wish ..... or give em to those who want to read up on the history of the hobby ...... but don't expect that they'll be read if given to a library or even a radio club (where it'll likely stay in one ham's house anyway). It's just an opinion. 73 de Sandy WA6BXH/7J1ABV slay@netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: 31 Jul 1994 05:40:34 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!ukma!asuvax!chnews!scorpion.ch.intel.com!cmoore@network.ucsd.edu To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References <31c699$7sv@chnews.intel.com>, <31e8f9$o3c@chnews.intel.com>, ax Subject : Re: Ramsey SlyFox In article , Jeffrey Herman wrote: >In article <31e8f9$o3c@chnews.intel.com> Cecil_A_Moore@ccm.hf.intel.com writes: >>In article <31c699$7sv@chnews.intel.com>, >If it takes this much debate over what John meant, then let's hope >he's not the one writing the assembly manuals for the kits. ;) >Jeff NH6IL Hi Jeff, it _is_ funny in a tragic way. When John and I were young hams, the average ham wrote, read, spoke, and understood reasonably fluent American English... not any more. The average ham somewhat understood the laws of physics... not any more. The average ham understood that he had to expend some energy to get a kit to work right if he built it himself... not any more. I wish ham radio was exempt from the conditions that are dragging this once great country down the tubes but, sadly, it is not and unfortunately, only old farts like me can remember the glory days when hams were at the forefront of communications technology. (John, I'm not calling you an old fart but remember when hams were using singlesidewinder mode and the military was still using AM)? PS. Jeff, I corrected your spelling and put a period at the end of your sentence so it's not a direct quote. ;-) 73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC (Not speaking for Intel) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jul 1994 19:47:45 GMT From: news.Hawaii.Edu!kahuna!jeffrey@ames.arpa To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References , <31c699$7sv@chnews.intel.com>, <31e8f9$o3c@chnews.intel.com> Subject : Re: Ramsey SlyFox In article <31e8f9$o3c@chnews.intel.com> Cecil_A_Moore@ccm.hf.intel.com writes: >In article <31c699$7sv@chnews.intel.com>, > wrote: >>In article , Greg Bullough wrote: >> >>>>In article jramsey@delphi.com writes: >> >>>>>it's easier to spread the coils a bit than to have to add more turns! >> >>>Gee, Cecil, it's a good thing that kit manufacturers can expect not to >>>have to re-teach hams the 'basic physics' that they had to know to get >>>their ham licenses, isn't it? Greg >> >>Hi again Greg, Obviously, John functions on an algebraic plane so he >>no doubt meant to say, "add more (negative) turns". ;-) > >Sorry, got interrupted and didn't finish this posting. Alan has already >explained what John meant but here it is again with the obvious implied >words that were left out. > >"it's easier to spread the coils a bit" (on a coil with too many turns) >"than to have to add more turns" (to a coil with too few turns). It it takes this much debate over what John meant, then let's hope he's not the one writing the assembly manuals for the kits ;) Jeff NH6IL ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jul 1994 19:08:25 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!chnews!scorpion.ch.intel.com!cmoore@network.ucsd.edu To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References , , <31c699$7sv@chnews.intel.com>cmoore Subject : Re: Ramsey SlyFox In article <31c699$7sv@chnews.intel.com>, wrote: >In article , Greg Bullough wrote: > >>>In article jramsey@delphi.com writes: > >>>>it's easier to spread the coils a bit than to have to add more turns! > >>Gee, Cecil, it's a good thing that kit manufacturers can expect not to >>have to re-teach hams the 'basic physics' that they had to know to get >>their ham licenses, isn't it? Greg > >Hi again Greg, Obviously, John functions on an algebraic plane so he >no doubt meant to say, "add more (negative) turns". ;-) Sorry, got interrupted and didn't finish this posting. Alan has already explained what John meant but here it is again with the obvious implied words that were left out. "it's easier to spread the coils a bit" (on a coil with too many turns) "than to have to add more turns" (to a coil with too few turns). 73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC (Not speaking for Intel) ------------------------------ End of Info-Hams Digest V94 #863 ******************************